4.1 "I know very little about diabetes I mean you know, I've heard...well I've known people in the past that had diabetes who were insulin dependent they had to obviously take medication to control that, and you know, I've worked with those people and they were able to ...signs and symptoms and know when they were needed to either take sugar or whatever, diabetes that great, and obviously when my father has it he doesn't...he takes medication to control his, but quite active and quite healthy still, it's under his control," (Nigel line 307–14). This evidence concerns the gene INS and diabetes mellitus.